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Rives Audio Designed dedicated 2 channel room for 2 channel audio performance and aesthetics.

The room was commissioned in early 2009, designed by Richard Bird at Rives with construction beginning in late April. Richard is the ultimate professional and was great to work with. I highly recommend him to anyone.

I was fortunate to work once again assemble a team of craftsman trade people. CLD Construction, Dolphin Custom Cabinetry, Spiegelhalter Electric, B&U Wood Floorers, Kendall Painting, Miner plumbing . My wife did all of the interior design, coordinating paint colors, fabrics, wood choices, rugs and window treatments (still coming).

The team was not only able to build a room that sounds outstanding but one that has great aesthetic appeal. It is a true pleasure to be in this room.

I've been in the room for 7 months fine tuning and tweaking its performance.

Special thanks to MikeLavigne, Cincy-Bob, Carl Zapp, Slipnot for their support and encouragement before and during the planning and construction process.

My system has been stable for the past 10 years or so. I am a Merlin devote and have built a system around the speakers. I've owned several version of the speakers as Bobby has continued to refine the design.

I have however turned to the dark side and totally diggitized my CD collection on a music server. Wavelength Audio Cosecant V3 asynchronous DAC has the digitial honors and is sounding outstanding.

Next upgrade will be to my front end of my VPI table and a new record cleaner. I also have 500+ albums in storage that need to be delivered and put in the new record storage/rear diffusor.
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    • Merlin Music Systems VSM Master
    Master Bam/Master RC Networks
    • Grand Prix Audio Monaco
    SS, Carbon Fiber equip rack.
    • Cardas Clear Speaker Cables
    Cardas Clear Speaker Cables
    • Critical Mass Systems Grand Master Isolation Platforms
    Isolation stands for VZN amps, Variac Power Supply and Merlin Master BAM
    • Joule Electra VZN Grand Marquis Mk 4 Monos
    Music Wood Chasis, JPS Labs Aluminata Power Cord
    • Music Reference RM9 Special Edition
    RM9SE Roger's hand built cost no object master piece. NOS Siemen EL34 Outputs.
    • Joule Electra LA 300 ME Memorial Line Stage
    Joule Electra all out assault at State of the Art Line Stage.
    • Cardas Audio Clear
    RCA to RCA.
    • Apple MacBook Pro Quad-Core 2.4 Ghz
    PC Audio Server SATA 3 SSD/16 Gig Ram Running Pure Music and Audirvana engines inside iTunes.
    • Promise Pegasus HD Array Thunderbolt HD Storage
    Raid 5 Disk array to hold the ever growing digital library including large Hi-Rez files.
    • Wavelength Audio Cosecant v3
    Asyn tube DAC
    • JPS Labs Superconductor 3 USB Cable
    JPS Labs shielded USB cable.
    • B-P-T BP-1 Ultra
    Heavily tweaked Piltron based Balanced power conditioning for front end components. Cardas Clear Beyond Power Cord.
    • 100 Amp Sub-Panel Square D
    separate meter tap and grounded to my Lenco Rods & and copper water service. Cryo 10/3 Gauge RSAD wire to five 20 amp circuits with cryo breakers ensures clean power to the room. Oyaide R1 outlets.
    • Oyaide R1 R1 Outlets Carbon Fiber faceplates
    Highly (twice) polished Beryllium Copper base metal, plated with platinum, and then the R1 is finished with palladium plating. Best sounding outlet in my set up for sure.
    • Rives Audio Level 1 Consult Service
    Level 1 design. Best money I have ever spent on audio. transformed my dedicated listening room to a beautiful and great sounding room with very high WAF rating :-)
    • Indian Agra Rug Tweak 9X12 100% wool Antique Rug w/thick Pad
    Floor reflection/diffusion per Rives blueprint Damn good looking as well.
    • Merlin Master BAM Clear
    Upgraded to Cardas Clear geometry cable for the Master BAM in my rig for 100 hours and it is truly the icing on the VSM Master speaker's cake! Mids are ever so slightly recessed relaxing the entire presentation This allows for seeing/hearing deeper into the stage with increased midrange textures and stage layering. The highs are even silkier and extended and the bass has more presence, whomp and weight. System is so focused without any artificial etching to the sound. Female vocals take on even more of that reach out and touch me quality. All in all, very impressive upgrade for not a lot of money.

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Hi Robertje,

The upgrade to the Cosecant is significant and the ability to read higher-rez files up to 192/24 will take your rig to the next level. Worth every penny of the upgrade coast.

Indeed, the VSM Master with the Bam wire upgrade is Bobby's masterpiece and continued refinement of an already relentlessly refined product.

joneill

Owner
System edited: I've had the Cardas Clear geometry cable upgrade for the Master BAM in my rig for 100 hours and it is truly the icing on the VSM Master speaker's cake! Mids are ever so slightly recessed relaxing the entire presentation This allows for seeing/hearing deeper into the stage with increased midrange textures and stage layering. The highs are even silkier and extended and the bass has more presence, whomp and weight. System is so focused without any artificial etching to the sound. Female vocals take on even more of that reach out and touch me quality. All in all, very impressive upgrade for not a lot of money.

joneill

Owner
Hi Robertje,

Thanks!

Yes, I added the HS switching & Denominator upgrade in July. It takes the Cosecant to yet another level of even finer resolution. The DAC does 192/24 Hi-Rez files without a hiccup.

Gordon Rankin over delivers in a real bang for the buck manner with the Cosecant HS Denominator. Worth the price of admission!

joneill

Owner
System edited: Merlin VSM Master speakers added this summer and Music reference RM9SE amp. Having owned several versions of both products, these are statement pieces by both designers and have definite synergy!

joneill

Owner
Hi Kevin,

Found my Rives print. 18" radius on the polyfusers ply (purchased them pre-made from a source in Wisconsin) and my finish carpenter applied the Clear Maple Veneer. Height is 8' 1".

Jim

joneill

Owner
Hi Norm,

Thanks for your comments.

Upgrades inclue Copper Foil Shielding, o2 free 12 g copper litz wiring, Bybee Quantum purifiers, Furutech IEC inlet, Furutech Gt-x Outlets.

Best Regards,

Jim

joneill

Owner
HI Sgr,

Wow, that is quite the set up you have. Love to hear that system crank out a tune or two! NIce work assembling the system.

Promise Pegasus can be purchased on Amazon from several suppliers or Apple. I actually purchased from B&H Photo Supply in NY as we have a supply relationship established with them.

Install was a breeze if you have a Thunderbolt cable (Apple site only) and 12 hours for formatting the drives. It has excellent software that allows you to do what ever RAID format you desire as well as monitor the array. So far, so good. The speed of the Thunderbolt connection is amazing. The unit is indeed amazingly quiet, but in fairness I have my front end in a 6X9 walk in closet adjacent to my listening chair so I really hear nothing what so ever.

I also installed a OWC SATA 3 SSD/16 Gig of RAM in the Macbook Pro that is equally impressive with its speed and sound! PM & Audirvana programs engines running in side iTunes love that RAM for great sound. Loading files is seamlessly fast.

I also back this unit up to a WD 4TB drive and will be looking for another back up redundany solutions soon. As my digital collection grows and with the size of Hi-Rez files, I would cry if I ever lost my data. For those computer-geeks among us, we all are aware that HD store files and fail. Almost a guarantee.

Best Regards,

Jim

joneill

Owner
Hi Charles,

Thanks for your comments.

Your rig looks well put together as well. Congrats on the hard work.

I was able to A/B the B-P-T unit that has the Sig mods against a. Equi-tech T-1000 and it was not even close. I agree, I have no nits to pick with it's performance on my front end.

Best Regards,

Jim

joneill

Owner
Hi Kev,

Thanks. It has been fun and a work in process for sure. Here are my attempts to answer your questions.

I also took a peek at your set up and it looks equally impressive. Congrats!

Floor to ceiling traps in front are indeed fiberglass triangles with pool liner stretched over a second frame that was screwed and green glue to the frame. The acoustic fabric is stretched onto a separate frame completes their construction.

Rear wall bass traps are built into the shelving unit on left rear. At the rich rear, their is a solid core oak pocket door that has a wool drape that is lines with fiberglass.

I've seen one large front wall diffusor as well as well as two smaller diffusors in several rooms Rives has done. All depends what the CAD says in the design I suppose! If i remember correctly, the window above the center wall was a sonic consideration as well. I have placed a honeycomb translucent window treatment that is closed when listening that is not in the photo on the site.

RPG Skyline diffusors while part of the original design plan were added last after roughly 90 days of room adjustment per Richard's suggestion. Their contribution to a very solid 3D SS was nothing short of jaw dropping and they of course are real conservation piece for visitors.

Ceiling: Joist runs parallel with front and real walls. Kal board was removed to expose the floor joists. The joist bays are treated with rigid fiberglass, green glue and a wooden diffusion system design to take the large reflective ceiling surface out of the equation. The Clear Maple frame you see was my way of "hiding" the 24x48 panels (Vendor who manufactures them with a CMC for total accuracy) seams used to cover the ceiling diffusor. The panels are attached with velcro to the framing. I was able to leave a 1/4" reveal with the panels for pure aesthetics. Looks and sounds great!

Floor: Engineered Oak treated with an antique Indian Agra rug. I listened W/O pad as well as 3 different rug pads underneath that to no surprise, sounded very different from one another. I settled with the extra thick rubber pad as it sounded the best by no small margin.

RT 60 is really moot in a room this small. I'm only in a room 20X13 with 8 foot ceiling. THe RT 30 times were less than a second as I recall. Given the small room size, means little.

I firmly believe that some of the the best $$ I have spent in audio went into this room. With a good design in hand, my son and I were able to do the demo and all of the framing. This helped control the costs and allowed me to use primo finishes for a room that not only sounds great, but looks great as well.

Hope this answered your questions.

Jim

joneill

Owner
System edited: B-P-T balanced power conditioning, Cardas Clear & Clear Beyond Power cords. It has been several years since upgrading the power delivery/conditioning so it was time! New Apple Quad Core music Server, USB cable, Thunderbolt high speed Storage device. Currently running Pure Music as well as the new excellent sounding Direct Mode of Audirvana. New Merlin VSM MXr in production will complete the system overhauls.

joneill

Owner
Samhar,

Great to hear from you again!

I agree. Nothing I have tried can beat the Joule Electra design. With the right speaker they can produce the magic we all lust after. They are not "plug & play" by any sense of the expressions, they throw a bit of heat, nor are they the quietest amp design. With a little tinkering and TLC with the variac and tube bias, they deliver the real deal in spades. Speed, clarity, quickness, PRAT and bottom end punch, they got it all going. There is a special rightness and magic to the midrange tonality that is very difficult to describe. With the Merlin VSM MXe, they really are magic!

joneill

Owner
Lapiere,

Thanks for the kind words.

The room measured flat to 33 cycles then gently rolls off. There is a slight hump at 78 cycles as well as 125 that I have attempted to work out but to no avail.

The before & after of the room with the Rives design is almost too hard to explain. Everyone who had done a Rives design told me that it would be the best $$$ in audio I would spend and after the process, I'd whole heartily agree It has and continues to bring lots of pleasure to my listening experience. I only wish I had more time to listen!

joneill

Owner
Ditto from this end as well. If your ever in the area, holler and we can have a listen.

Thx,

Jim

joneill

Owner
I am located on the Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin border on the mighty Mississippi river in Dubuque, Iowa. And you??

joneill

Owner
Zepyr,

Thanks for your kind words. Indeed, realism and energy are definite positives of the Elrod PC.

Looking at your system, seems you have put together quite an array of Elrods in the system and I'm sure all that attention to details has large pay-offs.

I will be auditioning the new cards Clear PC in the near future and will report my results here.

Thanks.

joneill

Owner
Tzh21y,

Sorry for the delayed response. Been "off the reservation" on business projects last 6 months.

The EAR 834P is a heavily modded version by Norther Audio. The board is stripped and all parts are replaced with the high quality "no cost" constraints parts and NOS tubes. While the stock 834P is no slouch, The Northern Audio Mod takes it to another level.

YMMV.

Jim

joneill

Owner
System edited: USB cable wars. Demo on recommendation from a friend/dealer. Sound much improved over the RSA cable.

joneill

Owner
Keeping the Elrod Silver Statement and awaiting the Elrod Gold Statement(s) for audition on amps and PLC.

The cord was a "lock" on the JE Pre. Elrod provides Joule Electra with a proprietary wire of same design that Jud uses in his point to point wiring in the LA 300 ME.

Will keep you posted.

Thanks,

Jim

joneill

Owner
Slipnot1,

Thanks for all of your kinds words and many thanks for all of the encouragement during the process. The room has been complete know for 6 months and the final room tweaks are pretty much completed.

You were correct in your assessment; "Best money you can spend" in stereo for sure. The Rives folks were a dream to work with and delivered the goods.

Off to listen.

Regards,

Jim

joneill

Owner
Nmanuel,

Thanks for your kind comments. Indeed, we are in very similar equipment arenas. I had a Capitole II SE for several years before I went the PC Audio route.

The CM platforms are excellent isolation platforms. Under the Joule amps as well as the Bam, expect to hear a much more focused, relaxed sound with better bass and definition.

Rives consults can be as invasive as one desires. Mine was a level 1 and I did my own sonic measurments. I was remodeling an office and my adjacent dedicated room that was treated with a variety of purchased/home made products. I was unwilling to move walls. I made that clear in my first interview and the project moved forward. I did agree to remove a large portion of the ceiling to build a diffusion array treatment. The rest of my solutions were stick built by my carpenter, cabinet maker or purchased from vendors.

I had read here and other places that a Rives solution would be the best money I would ever spend in audio. I would have to give that an emphatic two thumbs up as well. The room sounds fantastic and is a pleasure to be in as well.

Please keep me posted on the MXr break-in and send me some diggie pics of the set up.

regards,

Jim

joneill

Owner
System edited: Added an Elrod Power System Silver Statement Power Cord. Ribbon power cord similar in design to the point to point signal wiring designed specifically for Joule Electra by well known cable designer David Elrod of Elrod Power Systems, Inc. Hopefully will be a match made in heaven with the Joule Electra LA 300 ME Line-Stage. We shall find out!

joneill

Owner
Hi Jim,

Thanks for your comments.

In my discussions with Richard, I pretty much gave him carte blanche as long as we did not move walls. With measurements in hand and his CAD design, he produced an outstanding space both in its sonics and aesthetics.

The deciding factor was its 8' 1" height. Building a soffit was not in the cards due to this height. The cloth-covered panels (no insulation, just 2'x4' covered panels in white acoustic cloth material) on the maple grid ceiling is hiding an elaborate patent-pending array of alternating diagonal slats and insulation with the joist bays build up with ply, 5/8 dry-wall screwed and green glued.

We use slanted boards and absorptive material between the ceiling joists to create effective diffusion down to 200-250Hz. It's extraordinarily effective for rooms like this where you have limited ceiling height but relatively tall speakers that would otherwise turn the ceiling into the predominant room boundary. We couldn't really put anything on the ceiling since that would lower it only further. Richard thought it would be a mistake to not treat this large surface at all. The ideal solution then was to work "in the ceiling," the ceiling joist bays, then trim it out with the kind of fabric that matched my decor. This allows the ceiling to be taken out of the boundary equation. This room sounds much, much larger than it has any right too!

With saws-all in hand, CLD cut out the plaster ceiling leaving a small area of plaster to frame the new grid. The panels are simply velcro'd to the grid with a 1/4 reveal for shadow line.

Rives CAD design specified quite a lot of diffusion in this room because, relative to the speakers being used, it was on the small side (approximately 14' x 19' x 8' 1"). The Helmholtz resonators, 5 foot bank on each wall are used to broaden the soundstage. They absorb energy and then release it at an attenuated level to create a sense of ambience that fools the ear/brain mechanism into hearing this space as being much broader and wider than it is. In most rooms, they would not have this many resonators. They assist in smoothing out the frequency response, providing both diffusion and absorption. These here are fashioned from hardwood slats (Select grade Maple) with a 1/4 inch gap. The width and depth of the gap relative to the depth of the device determines the frequency it resonates at. Because these are convex the depth of the gaps isn't constant but varying to become effective over a broader frequency band. Most people think of Helmholtz resonators as high-Q devices and you can design them accordingly to attenuate specific bass modes. But these are not that. These are broad-band devices designed to improve the ambiance of the room.

While it looks great and sounds great, after working with Richard, it was obvious that between the CAD and his experience, I was in good hands.

See here for construction pics: http://gallery.me.com/joneill1155

Hope this helps. I highly recommend Richard @Rives. Rives/Richard were great.

joneill

Owner
Devilboy,

Thanks. Your room also is a great looker. I love those Marten's. Have a brother-in-law with a pair making some great sound in San Diego with the Martens.

My wife in-deed has quite a flair for the deco thing for sure. Excellent with colors, textures, fabrics and wood. I'll pass your props on to her.

Thanks.

joneill

Owner
Hi Jim,

Thanks for your comments.

In my discussions with Richard, I pretty much gave him carte blanche as long as we did not move walls. With measurements in hand and his CAD design, he produced an outstanding space both in its sonics and aesthetics.

The deciding factor was its 8' 1" height. Building a soffit was not in the cards due to this height. The cloth-covered panels (no insulation, just 2'x4' covered panels in white acoustic cloth material) on the maple grid ceiling is hiding an elaborate patent-pending array of alternating diagonal slats and insulation with the joist bays build up with ply, 5/8 dry-wall screwed and green glued.

We use slanted boards and absorptive material between the ceiling joists to create effective diffusion down to 200-250Hz. It's extraordinarily effective for rooms like this where you have limited ceiling height but relatively tall speakers that would otherwise turn the ceiling into the predominant room boundary. We couldn't really put anything on the ceiling since that would lower it only further. Richard thought it would be a mistake to not treat this large surface at all. The ideal solution then was to work "in the ceiling," the ceiling joist bays, then trim it out with the kind of fabric that matched my decor. This allows the ceiling to be taken out of the boundary equation. This room sounds much, much larger than it has any right too!

With saws-all in hand, CLD cut out the plaster ceiling leaving a small area of plaster to frame the new grid. The panels are simply velcro'd to the grid with a 1/4 reveal for shadow line.

Rives CAD design specified quite a lot of diffusion in this room because, relative to the speakers being used, it was on the small side (approximately 14' x 19' x 8' 1"). The Helmholtz resonators, 5 foot bank on each wall are used to broaden the soundstage. They absorb energy and then release it at an attenuated level to create a sense of ambience that fools the ear/brain mechanism into hearing this space as being much broader and wider than it is. In most rooms, they would not have this many resonators. They assist in smoothing out the frequency response, providing both diffusion and absorption. These here are fashioned from hardwood slats (Select grade Maple) with a 1/4 inch gap. The width and depth of the gap relative to the depth of the device determines the frequency it resonates at. Because these are convex the depth of the gaps isn't constant but varying to become effective over a broader frequency band. Most people think of Helmholtz resonators as high-Q devices and you can design them accordingly to attenuate specific bass modes. But these are not that. These are broad-band devices designed to improve the ambiance of the room.

While it looks great and sounds great, after working with Richard, it was obvious that between the CAD and his experience, I was in good hands.

See here for construction pics: http://gallery.me.com/joneill1155

Hope this helps. I highly recommend Richard @Rives. Rives/Richard were great.

joneill

Owner
Srwooten,

Thanks for the info and the link. Much appreciated.

joneill

Owner
David,

Thanks for your kind words. The room was a blast to do and the results have been spectacular to say the least.

Your system looks to be right up my alley as well. Nothing like tubes and Merlin's for a match made in heaven.

joneill

Owner
Srwooten,

New feet are on the upgrade list. How do the motor risers work with the new feet? Are they part of the footer upgrade?

I already have a center weight I purchased with the outer ring.

Thanks.

joneill

Owner
Samhar,

Thanks for your kind words. The Joule Electra Marquis Mk IV OTL have the speed, transparency and total harmonic envelope that brings me as close to the absolute sound as I have ever been to my ear. Match made in heaven with the Merlin speakers.

joneill